Comments on: McLaughlin Gives Whittenburg Vote of Confidence, and Calls for a Team Effort at Fordham http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/ Independent, Comprehensive Coverage of Fordham Sports Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:39:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ram 91 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-166 Ram 91 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:54:33 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-166 Will the last player to leave the program please turn off the lights? Will the last player to leave the program please turn off the lights?

]]> By: Turtle http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-165 Turtle Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:46:44 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-165 Accountability.....Accountability is a great motivator. This is all about accountibility. The Fordham adminsitration (Father McShane et all) put no pressure on Frank McLaughlin who in turn puts no pressure on DW. This transcends athletics. This is a university wide problem. We have a group of leaders that balk at doing the right thing in lieu of doing the cheap thing! For example: The radio tower, the location of Walsh Library, and most recently, the cutting of full time faculty positions. This school has great faculty, decent fan support and a strong alumni base. We need to empty the cupboard of the expired food and go organic! Frank has been around since the PJ Carlesimo days. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE. Get rid of Jeff Gray and Father McShane also. Mediocrity is contagious. Accountability…..Accountability is a great motivator. This is all about accountibility. The Fordham adminsitration (Father McShane et all) put no pressure on Frank McLaughlin who in turn puts no pressure on DW. This transcends athletics. This is a university wide problem. We have a group of leaders that balk at doing the right thing in lieu of doing the cheap thing! For example: The radio tower, the location of Walsh Library, and most recently, the cutting of full time faculty positions. This school has great faculty, decent fan support and a strong alumni base. We need to empty the cupboard of the expired food and go organic! Frank has been around since the PJ Carlesimo days. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE. Get rid of Jeff Gray and Father McShane also. Mediocrity is contagious.

]]> By: peter http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-162 peter Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:44:25 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-162 It's one thing when a couple of players (Boykin, Landisch) leave the team who probably realized that they were never going to get many minutes. But Moore leaving after 2 years and tons of playing time? Seems to me that he saw the future and 10 wins (junior and senior years combined?) didn't look very appealing. We can get a kid every 5 years or so who can play anywhere (Robin, Dunston, Fontan). Problem is that unless you get a kid like that every other year, you're not beating Xavier or Dayton in the A10 tourney. Listen, I want Fontan to stay for the obvious reasons, but what is Fordham Basketball offering him in its current state? An RPI of 292, and the chance to be double-teamed for the next 3 years? Thoughts? It’s one thing when a couple of players (Boykin, Landisch) leave the team who probably realized that they were never going to get many minutes. But Moore leaving after 2 years and tons of playing time? Seems to me that he saw the future and 10 wins (junior and senior years combined?) didn’t look very appealing.
We can get a kid every 5 years or so who can play anywhere (Robin, Dunston, Fontan). Problem is that unless you get a kid like that every other year, you’re not beating Xavier or Dayton in the A10 tourney. Listen, I want Fontan to stay for the obvious reasons, but what is Fordham Basketball offering him in its current state? An RPI of 292, and the chance to be double-teamed for the next 3 years? Thoughts?

]]> By: SIram http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-161 SIram Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:34:27 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-161 There is a reason why our opinion of DW changed over the past two years. He did a horrible job of recruiting after the Dunston/Stout class and he did a horrible job of coaching those players over the same stretch of time. How or why does Frank or anyone defend failure? There is a reason why our opinion of DW changed over the past two years. He did a horrible job of recruiting after the Dunston/Stout class and he did a horrible job of coaching those players over the same stretch of time. How or why does Frank or anyone defend failure?

]]> By: Fordham81 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-160 Fordham81 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:43:01 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-160 “We did say something. By not saying something we said something very strongly.” This statement couldn't be truer- it illustrates that we have an AD and Administration that is quite satified with mediocrity, has no plan for the future, and is incapable of defining success. It is stunning to think that DW is a " fierce competitor", which is best illustrated by his pouting on the bench during games, his inability to grow as a coach and develop players, or have some type of strategy regarding recruiting. The reason that Frank states that "we can't afford to lose him" is due to the fact that no one wants this job with the current administration in place. Fordham's Athletic Administration is the laughing stock of the NCAA as it continues to squander opportunities to become a premier program in NYC, and thus the country. As a college AD told me a couple of weeks ago- Fordham is half pregnant, and are incapable, or unwilling to become successful. Charlie- Why don't you spend some time investigating the structure, commitment and achievements of our peer universities who have been able to achieve both academic and athletic success. Compare those to the "lifers" that we have employed, who are quite happy that they will never be held accountable for anything. Ask Frank for his definition of success and how it is measured- and ask the same question to AD's at our peer universities. You will be stunned at how clueless Frank is, and how far behind Fordham has fallen. This program is in shambles and Frank (and you Charlie) are apologists for the embarrassment that is Fordham Basketball (Men and Women)- our "marquee" sport. “We did say something. By not saying something we said something very strongly.” This statement couldn’t be truer- it illustrates that we have an AD and Administration that is quite satified with mediocrity, has no plan for the future, and is incapable of defining success. It is stunning to think that DW is a ” fierce competitor”, which is best illustrated by his pouting on the bench during games, his inability to grow as a coach and develop players, or have some type of strategy regarding recruiting. The reason that Frank states that “we can’t afford to lose him” is due to the fact that no one wants this job with the current administration in place. Fordham’s Athletic Administration is the laughing stock of the NCAA as it continues to squander opportunities to become a premier program in NYC, and thus the country. As a college AD told me a couple of weeks ago- Fordham is half pregnant, and are incapable, or unwilling to become successful.

Charlie- Why don’t you spend some time investigating the structure, commitment and achievements of our peer universities who have been able to achieve both academic and athletic success. Compare those to the “lifers” that we have employed, who are quite happy that they will never be held accountable for anything. Ask Frank for his definition of success and how it is measured- and ask the same question to AD’s at our peer universities. You will be stunned at how clueless Frank is, and how far behind Fordham has fallen.

This program is in shambles and Frank (and you Charlie) are apologists for the embarrassment that is Fordham Basketball (Men and Women)- our “marquee” sport.

]]> By: Ram 91 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-158 Ram 91 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:33:03 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-158 I suspect the coach and Athletic Department will be greeted next year with copious silent approval in an empty gym. I suspect the coach and Athletic Department will be greeted next year with copious silent approval in an empty gym.

]]> By: acrammer http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-156 acrammer Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:25:58 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-156 There are no excuses for the season Whittenburg had last year. They were competitive in 3 atlantic 10 games all year and had the schools worst record in 106 years. Also, if Whittenburg was able to recruit better and keep players on the team, then maybe we wouldn't have had a rebuilding year and we could have had a more successful season. Players like Boykin, Phillips, Landisch all left the team and were clearly not A-10 caliber players. While others like Devine and Tanner stayed but couldnt cut it in this league. Finally, lets not forget Everston and Smith who couldnt even stay in school a year and play. Now we have Trey Blue, Mike Moore, and it looks like Jio Fontan transferring. That is our top 3 scorers from a team that was 3-26. How can Whittenburg not be blamed for these personnel problems, and do we really give Whittenburg another rebuilding year?? Billy Gillipsie was fired for losing in the quarterfinals of the NIT, while you may argue its because its Kentucky and they expect more. Well why not expect more at Fordham. Do we strive for mediocrity here. Even so look at BU coach Dennis Wolff. In his past 8 season there, his team has never finished lower then 3rd in the conference and he brought his team to one NCAA tournament and 3 NITs. I think we have more basketball tradition then BU, but they obviously have a desire for success unlike Fordham. Yeah it was great/amazing that Whittenburg had an 18-12 season, but some times you can't let your view be skewed by one amazing result. Instead of building upon that success we are back to square one, and if something is not done we will be even worse then we were when Bob Hill left. If Jio gets his release as requested we are returning 4 scholarships players. How can next year be any better. Something needs to be done. There are no excuses for the season Whittenburg had last year. They were competitive in 3 atlantic 10 games all year and had the schools worst record in 106 years. Also, if Whittenburg was able to recruit better and keep players on the team, then maybe we wouldn’t have had a rebuilding year and we could have had a more successful season. Players like Boykin, Phillips, Landisch all left the team and were clearly not A-10 caliber players. While others like Devine and Tanner stayed but couldnt cut it in this league. Finally, lets not forget Everston and Smith who couldnt even stay in school a year and play. Now we have Trey Blue, Mike Moore, and it looks like Jio Fontan transferring. That is our top 3 scorers from a team that was 3-26. How can Whittenburg not be blamed for these personnel problems, and do we really give Whittenburg another rebuilding year?? Billy Gillipsie was fired for losing in the quarterfinals of the NIT, while you may argue its because its Kentucky and they expect more. Well why not expect more at Fordham. Do we strive for mediocrity here. Even so look at BU coach Dennis Wolff. In his past 8 season there, his team has never finished lower then 3rd in the conference and he brought his team to one NCAA tournament and 3 NITs. I think we have more basketball tradition then BU, but they obviously have a desire for success unlike Fordham. Yeah it was great/amazing that Whittenburg had an 18-12 season, but some times you can’t let your view be skewed by one amazing result. Instead of building upon that success we are back to square one, and if something is not done we will be even worse then we were when Bob Hill left. If Jio gets his release as requested we are returning 4 scholarships players. How can next year be any better. Something needs to be done.

]]> By: ram723 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-155 ram723 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:10:34 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-155 I just don't even know what to say about these articles anymore. They're painful to read. I just don’t even know what to say about these articles anymore. They’re painful to read.

]]> By: Tim http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-154 Tim Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:57:13 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-154 Brendan hit the nail on the head. How are we supposed to have any type of continuity or building when, after a singular season, 4 scholarship athletes on a team that can only have 13 try to leave. Running kids out of the program is the problem. Well that and losing games on average by 20 points. Brendan hit the nail on the head. How are we supposed to have any type of continuity or building when, after a singular season, 4 scholarship athletes on a team that can only have 13 try to leave.

Running kids out of the program is the problem. Well that and losing games on average by 20 points.

]]> By: Brendan http://fordhamsportsnet.com/2009/04/07/mclaughlin-gives-whittenburg-vote-of-confidence-and-calls-for-a-team-effort-at-rose-hill/#comment-153 Brendan Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:33:05 +0000 http://fordhamsportsnet.com/?p=1026#comment-153 I think people would be ok with the loses if the players weren't jumping ship-it was a rebuilding year after all. However those parts that were supposed to rebuild the program want to quit. That to me indicates a problem. I think people would be ok with the loses if the players weren’t jumping ship-it was a rebuilding year after all. However those parts that were supposed to rebuild the program want to quit. That to me indicates a problem.

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